I’m Kylie, and I’m an abolitionist vegan. I’m not always right, nor do I think I’m always right, and I am always willing to learn new things and new ideas. I have little patience for New Welfarists–people who think it’s okay to use animals so long as we use them “humanely”, whatever that means. I am involved in dog rescue, and I live with three rescue dogs and two rescue cats. I use the moniker “The Joyless Vegan” in defiance of someone who judged me without knowing me. My life is actually quite joyful, but don’t tell him that–I’d hate to ruin the little fantasy he’s concocted. I’m full of ideas and I’m stretching my writing wings–have patience with me, I’m out of practice. I’ll get better 🙂


26 comments on “About

  1. [ Smiles ] I wish you all the best with your informative blog, my vegan sister.

  2. I was curious about why you named your blog ‘The Joyless Vegan’, and I’m glad to hear that you’re not really joyless!! I’ve been vegan for a year, and I love it. It was a challenging transition at first, but it got easier over time. I actually started eating plant-based for my health, but once I stopped eating animals I developed more compassion for them. Funny how that works. Now I’m an ethical vegan. Anyway, I’m so glad that I found your blog because I love connecting with other vegans. I love your blog! Celeste:)

    • Hi there and many thanks for the very kind words! I’m kind of new to blogging and still finding my way, so thanks for the encouragement! I called it “The Joyless Vegan” because someone once accused me of being joyless because I’m vegan. I thought it was absurd that someone who barely knew me could judge me like that, and I love all things absurd, so I took the name and made it my own! I am actually a very joyful person, and I am always very, very happy to meet other vegans. Thanks for your commitment to the animals 🙂

  3. Thanks for following Kylie! I look forward to more of your posts and getting to know you better. Celeste:)

  4. You’re a fucking idiot

  5. I just discovered this blog and really like it. I’ve been an abolitionist for around eight years after learning of Gary Francione on a Vegan Freaks podcast. However, I have a good eye for detail and I noticed that you’re incorrectly putting periods and commas outside of quotations marks. Here’s a good guide to how punctuating with quotation marks:

    • Hi, Ken, and thanks for the words of support–always much appreciated 😊. Thanks for the feedback about punctuation–I am an editor with over ten years of experience. 😉. Whether or not end punctuation is put inside quotation marks is a matter of style and there is no one correct way of doing it. Depends which guide you choose, I guess. Thanks again, and I hope to hear more from you. It’s always a pleasure to hear from like-minded folks😃

  6. aye Kylie, congrats on writing how you do, got onto you re Ricky Gervais (hypocrite as most people who have just not made that lion – bacon connection yet…) and well… thanks – great work.
    I’m vegan (let me rephrase that, I’m a decision-making human being who decided to live vegan) but have technical issues with Francione’s stance on right and wrong (since he’s a layer that understandable though). In essence, to me, a morality is only ever made up by humans, and if one sees value in compassion and “love” then the right/wrong paradigm makes no sense, as that is always totalitarian and hence related to fascism or even speciesism itself (which is of course what vegans want to lead away from). So in essence, I prefer the original definition of veganism to the one Francione is promoting. But again, that’s a minor detail and has mostly to do with humans’ superiority dilemma, so both approaches are meeting in the care for animal earthlings and the desired behaviour change of humans.
    What a journey, and what times to be born onto this planet.

    • Hi there, thanks for dropping by and lending support! Much appreciated 🙂

      In regard to Francione and right/wrong, he’s not promoting totalitarianism. He’s simply saying that if we think animals matter morally, which most of us certainly do, then it is not consistent with that thinking to turn around and exploit them and use them for our own ends. Francione is not promoting a “definition” of veganism–he is promoting Abolitionist veganism, which–contrary to welfarist veganism–seeks to abolish all animal use.

      I disagree that morality is “made up by humans”. I have heard that argument before, and it doesn’t ring true. There are certain things that are inherently wrong, not just because humans say so. It is inherently wrong to rape someone, molest a child or exploit an animal. It is inherently wrong to exploit those who are not as powerful as you to get something you want from them at their expense. That is just inherently wrong, not because I say so or someone else has decided that–it just IS.

      Anyway, thanks again for the kind words of support and thanks for reading! Take care 🙂

      • Thanks for your reply 😉
        I really have a hard time, living vegan and all, with the “inherently-wrong-paradigm”. While I myself would feel/think the things you quote as being inherently wrong too, they cannot be “wrong” in an of themselves because … well … they just ARE … I think that’s the point where people sometimes condemn veganism as a “religion” forcing a world view onto them. (dusty old argument I know)

        It follows that the right/wrong paradigm is created by declaration and upheld by force of some kind. Laws must be enforced or have no effect. Which leads to moralities, as such, being invented and not inherent.

        See, the killing of a being by another (for food or whatever “reason”) may be PERCEIVED as wrong from a certain perspective in a certain context. But the event of the killing and the fact (of the pain, suffering and death) in and of itself cannot be wrong (or right) precisely because it just IS an event.

        Now, I’m not advocating that just because things simply ARE as they are, we should condone the actions that lead to suffering and death. As I said, I’m trying to wrap both my head and heart around this dilemma. See, it’s too easy to be dualistic and black/white about stuff we encounter in life (sigh, I’m guilty of it too) and there must be a better model than this.

        Maybe non-judgement offers some potential there, but the way I see for that to be a practical life philosophy beyond just theory is by somehow shifting our world view from a disconnected one to an interconnected one.

        Currently I think we are trying to fit the world as it is to a view as it should be. It’s like a constant state of upset perhaps as disagreements rage among those who take separate sides. No, I don’t have an answer or a fix aside from being the change one wishes to see in the world.

        In any case – thanks again for your writings, I’m looking forward to exploring more 🙂

  7. I think that thinking of things in that way is pointless. Basically, if you don’t want something done to you, don’t do it to someone else, for any reason. Whether you want to argue that something is inherently wrong or not–well, to me that is irrelevant, really. And people try to use that kind of thinking as some sort of justification for horrible things–well, gosh, it’s not wrong, it just IS–and that’s just not okay. It’s wrong to kill someone for no justifiable reason, I think most people agree on that, and that is really all that is required. 🙂 I do think killing is wrong, and is not “just an event”, but the bottom line is, if we don’t need to cause pain, suffering, and death, then why are we?
    Thanks for the thoughtful comments–always much appreciated! 😀

  8. I am not vegan and came across your site in a fairly convoluted way. I see that veganism is obviously a very important part of your life. I was intrigued to read that you live with three dogs and cats. Doubtlessly these animals are given the best care they can be but could please you explain how you are able to provide a diet for them which is healthy for them yet still in line with your own beliefs/principles/lifestyle (I’m not sure what word to use and I don’t want to hurt any feelings or offend anyone so please choose the least offensive to you). I’m not trying to catch you out or anything like that I am just interested as to how it works.

    • Thanks for commenting! Yes, veganism is very important. It’s not just some lifestyle choice or health thing–it’s about justice for nonhuman animals.

      The dogs I rescued all eat vegan food. I also give them fresh fruits and vegetables as snacks and treats.

      Cats are not so simple. While many cats will do well on a vegan diet, many do not. The cats I rescued were not vegan. The remaining cat is not vegan. This is one reason we need to stop all breeding of animals as “pets”. Many cats require that we kill other animals to feed them, which is not okay. However, in the current world, there are millions of cats who are unwanted, and many are killed for being unwanted. This goes against vegan principles. What are the alternatives? For those who have access to vegan cat food and can afford it, they should buy it. For those who can’t afford it or don’t have access to such food, or cannot afford the veterinary care required to ensure the cat does well on a vegan diet, there is no alternative, other than not adopting a cat and allowing millions to be euthanized when we brought them into existence to begin with. We owe them a decent life, and at times, that may mean feeding them non vegan food. As I said, it’s a good reason to stop breeding animals as “pets”.

      Until that happens, I have a moral obligation to care for the cats I have taken in, of whom one now remains. I don’t know if I will adopt cats in the future, as doing so presents that moral quandary. But if I don’t, that many more cats will die, which is also unacceptable.

      It’s not an easy situation, and sorry if I don’t have clear answers.

      Being vegan means doing the best we can, not being perfect. That being said, I don’t eat non vegan food or buy non vegan products. But with cats….I don’t know.

  9. Hello! Recently, my wife and I decided to finally go vegan after watching a talk given by Gary the gangster. I’m not particularly his biggest fan, but he made it clear to me that a) humans aren’t designed to eat meat and b) that it’s ridiculous what the world is doing to sustain eating flesh of other beings. Unfortunately, we’re not perfect pictures of what being vegan is all about – we own previously purchased leather, adopted a rescued kitty recently and feed it non vegan food, etc – but we’re sold from here-on.
    I thank you for putting your thoughts out here for budding vegans to read and help process the new perspective. I appreciate your no nonsense approach and applaud your due diligence to the vegan philosophy in your posts and the heckles.
    Consider this a long winded thank you and encouragement to continue!

    • Wow, thanks. Usually when someone starts off with “Gary helped me go vegan”, they go on to verbally abuse me for daring to criticize his approach. So, thanks for not doing that, it’s more appreciated than I can say. I appreciate your support, and thank you for going vegan. It’s the best thing you can do for animals, for the planet and for yourself, so thank you.

  10. Respect and thanks!

  11. Totally laughable. You rescued cats & dogs. From where… the dog pound? Go on a real rescue for once in your pitiful life. Have you gone to a dog & cat meat farm to rescue those animals? You’re no Vegan, you’re PLANT BASED. You’re a disgrace to our community with ZERO real animal rescue experience.

    • “You rescued cats & dogs. From where… the dog pound?” In point of fact, the dogs I share my home with currently were rescued from a reserve by a rescue organization I volunteered with. I fostered them first, and they stayed because we love them and they fit in to our lives. I also fostered a cat, who I adopted and lives with me. I adopted another cat from a rescue organization, and another cat I saved from a parking lot. I also rescued four kittens from a bad situation in a rural area, at my own expense. Also, I don’t need your approval or validation, fortunately for me.

      “Have you gone to a dog & cat meat farm to rescue those animals?” Why would I do that when there are thousands of animals RIGHT HERE WHERE I LIVE that need help? Why are dogs and cats on meat farms worth more in your mind than any other animal?

      “You’re no Vegan, you’re PLANT BASED. ” Um, no sweetheart, words mean things, and I am most definitely vegan. Nice try though hun.

      “You’re a disgrace to our community with ZERO real animal rescue experience.” So, you are trying to completely discredit me by saying I haven’t rescued enough animals? LOL OK bro. Go home–you’re drunk.

  12. I noticed that you answer every person who makes a comments. That’s really nice and it makes a big difference. Well, I want to thank you for giving a voice to the voiceless. We need more people like you to educate other people on the horrible really of animal abuse. These poor souls are sentient being. They feel pain like we do and want to live and not end up as food. The more and I think about it, the more barbaric it seems. I am a vegetarian for the past 23 years, and a vegan for the past six years. I ate a lot of cheese because I didn’t know any better. Thanks again and good luck to you.

    • Thanks, Teri. I do indeed try to respond to everyone who comments, even if I completely disagree with the comment. I also allow all comments, even the aggressive, nasty ones.

      I am glad you are now vegan, and I really appreciate that you took the time to comment.

  13. Please tell me you haven’t abandoned this blog. I just found you (December 2017) and I need you. Your no-nonsense approach is very much appreciated.

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